With a record number of pension funds underfunded, the notion of having an "overfunded pension" can sound impossible. And yet that is exactly what Jim Keohane, CEO of the Healthcare of Ontario Pension Plan (HOOPP) has managed to achieve. Keohane speaks to Real Vision's Ed Harrison about the remarkable obstacles pension funds face and how they can survive and thrive in the face of these challenges. Keohane argues that defined-benefit pensions can be sustainable if the fund manages risk the right way. Keohane articulates his process in constructing HOOPP’s portfolio, which is relied upon by its over 350,000 members, and describes how he uses derivatives to manage risk for over $80 billion in assets. Filmed on February 13, 2020 in Toronto.