Is Axie Infinity a video game, an ecosystem, or a burgeoning nation-state? Still early in its development, Axie is already the highest-grossing NFT game, approaching $3 billion in all-time sales and continuing to set new monthly records. Jeffrey Zirlin first met his fellow co-founders of Sky Mavis, Axie Infinity’s parent company, through the CryptoKitties community. Now, lines that used to separate gaming, social media, and commerce are blurring. And Zirlin and his team are key players in that process. Hear from Zirlin where the journey started and where it’s headed from here. Interviewed by Ash Bennington on January 12, 2022.