Michael Gayed, portfolio manager at Toroso Investments, LLC, and Darius Dale, founder and CEO of 42 Macro, discuss how risk works in both directions. The pair explore how to think differently about markets, making a case for a more nuanced understanding of the sequence vs. focusing on the ultimate goal of making money. They take a closer look at repeatable processes such as buy and hold strategies and market timing as well as lumber and gold as symptomatic indicators of markets and the wealth gap. Filmed on September 13, 2021.