Meeting Of Minds – November 2018

Published on: November 28th, 2018

In this month’s Meeting of Minds, Raoul examines the unusual price action associated with Bitcoin before its collapse this month and asks whether there is any connection between the 6200-support line in the Bitcoin chart and the recent misadventures of Bitfinex. And, Julian updates his market roadmap given the volatility we have had in global equities. He notes that we have hit key inflexion points and that the environment is no longer safe for bond shorts.

Comments

  • BC
    Brent C.
    28 November 2018 @ 20:10
    Julian, given your view on the steepener trade, would you consider playing it through mortgage REITS at all? Or perhaps any specific higher quality books given spreads could continue widening?
    • BC
      Brent C.
      29 November 2018 @ 18:14
      Thanks for the reply Julian! I actually expect the situation you just described, and that's why i haven't put it on yet. My game plan is to swap a relatively large FLRN position into something that will benefit from a steepener once it becomes more clear hikes are done/nearly done. I was specifically looking at MORT though, but welcome any/all ideas. Have you ran the correlation on MORT by chance?
    • JB
      Julian B. | Contributor
      29 November 2018 @ 15:02
      Brent that's a pretty clever way to play a pseudo steepener. I just looked at IYR vs the 2-10 cash curve and the correlation very solid. One word of caution. What we have advocated to our institutional clients is a steepener on the forward swaps curve not the cash curve. The swaps curve always turns early and the cash curve typically keeps inverting for a few more months. This would happen if for example, the data especially inflation forces Powell to hike in Dec and March. That said it’s a very decent idea so I'd definitely have IYR on my radar!
  • JC
    Justin C.
    29 November 2018 @ 00:49
    Raoul, Had I not seen your two tweets screaming how artificial the Bitcoin price action was prior to the recent collapse, then I might have held my allocation to $BTC instead of selling. It was so obvious the way you laid it out, but I was frankly not paying close attention given how stable the price had become. I owe you a beer or two :) Thank you.
  • JK
    James K.
    29 November 2018 @ 02:28
    Julian/Raoul - after today’s Fed Powell’s speech ....does this impact your timing of Fed rate hikes, ie now quite possibly “1 and done”....for the time being ? Noticed TLT was actually down today ...hmmm.... bond market may be seeing future inflation and doesn’t like slowing down rate hikes ..? Gold/Miners also up well .... Is it possible Trump got what he wanted from Powell today, so Trump can now go into the G7 meeting, this weekend, with more aggression, not worrying so much about the Fed and stock market ? Trump can stand stronger against China now ...IMO ... Thanks ....
    • JB
      Julian B. | Contributor
      29 November 2018 @ 14:49
      James ...couple of things. Clearly a change in tone from Powell but perhaps not in substance (see my Tweet https://twitter.com/JulianMI2/status/1067879401537191936) . The bottom line is that they were always going to be data dependent and in particular with regards to labour market. Therefore if I look at my models,I'd guess we probably have at least 2 more hikes before a pause. In terms of Treasuries we discussed in the piece how we are out of shorts and playing curve steepeners. They are tough for anyone but professional accounts. But rather than buying TLT, which is long dated I'd suggest something shorter. The long end is trading horribly and supply is a massive issue. Finally, my contacts are quite upbeat about a trade "deal" that said we talking about a ceasefire at best i.e. a delay in tariffs. Big picture the relationship gets worse next year.
  • MR
    Michael R.
    29 November 2018 @ 08:05
    good read. thanks. this 'peg' might has to do something with current break even for bitcoin. - must be around that area depending on various factors. some big miners are possibly trying to get rid off as much of that stuff as possible.... https://medium.com/@sunnyday.james/estimating-the-break-even-price-for-new-bitcoin-mining-units-88e39a0f5f9a
  • KJ
    Keith J.
    29 November 2018 @ 08:05
    Would be interested, in the next Insider Talks, to hear some of Raoul and Julian's top prediction for 2019. Maybe a high probability, medium probability and low (but higher than the wider market expects) probability.
  • KH
    Kyubeom H.
    29 November 2018 @ 10:15
    Julian, During the expiration of debt ceiling resolution in 2017, huge amount of cash were released in banking system causing a relief of broad financial conditions even though the fed kept hikes. The similar event will come in March 2019. I expect this time would be different. QT will absorb the liquidity, so the relief would be shorter-lived than in 2017. But still financial conditions would be eased meaningfully during the event. Any opinions of the expiration of debt ceiling resolution in 2019?
    • JB
      Julian B. | Contributor
      29 November 2018 @ 14:36
      Interesting, let me see if I can get anything from my mates in DC on debt resolution
  • VG
    Vivek G.
    30 November 2018 @ 11:59
    Hi Julian, Raoul - interested to know whether the recent Jay Powell speech or release of last Fed meeting minutes have in any way changed/nuanced your individual/collective views as articulated in this piece/prior pieces. Regards
    • RP
      Raoul P. | Founder
      30 November 2018 @ 15:38
      Buy bonds! The pause is coming... and the Fed NEVER pause. They stop and reverse within 14 months.
  • DS
    David S.
    30 November 2018 @ 17:10
    Julian, so you think we may skip yield curve inversion and head straight into steepening..? With this slowdown starting to be felt everywhere I would of thought the chance of a recession 18-24 months was increasing..?
    • DS
      David S.
      13 December 2018 @ 08:59
      Thanks Julian
    • JB
      Julian B. | Contributor
      3 December 2018 @ 17:27
      David couple of observations. 1) In the piece we discussed playing a steepener on the forwards swaps curve. Historically this has always led the cash curve. Cash should keep inverting until the Fed is done hiking. Raoul thinks that's Dec but I think we may have another hike in the spring. 2) As for a recession, my guess is that IF we get one it won't take that long. That said personally, I think we are looking at a mid cycle slowdown vs a full blown recession but that's only because I expect the Fed to be dovish and more importantly congress to support more fiscal spending. If I'm wrong then given the unwind of excesses created by super low rates then a recession is a given.
  • MB
    Matthias B.
    30 November 2018 @ 19:02
    dear Julian and Raoul, just a general observation / remark: it is my impression that macro insider is getting better and better after the initial "slow start". So well done, it is truly value adding. I did renew TT but do hope that it will improve as well, as I somehow lack conviction about the value of some content providers. Going back to macro, I will be very keen to see how the USD fares once year end has passed, on a purchasing power parity consideration, the USD appears vastly overvalued against Yen, Euro and Sterling. With such low oil prices, this must be a big boost to the Chinese current account which would soften the devaluation pressure towards 7 and line up an attractive risk/return EM trade.
    • JB
      Julian B. | Contributor
      3 December 2018 @ 17:19
      Thanks Matthias! I think both Raoul and I would like to be able to take 100% of the credit for MI. But I think we have to be realistic and say that the environment has also got better for macro! As for the $ we are both watching it VERY carefully!
  • JQ
    JACK Q.
    3 December 2018 @ 16:37
    Hey Julian - if you were to express the steepening trade via Eurodollar futures, which contracts would you choose? EDZ9 vs EDZ0 or EDZ9 vs EDZ1?
    • JB
      Julian B. | Contributor
      3 December 2018 @ 17:16
      Jack I'd push the whole think out further because I'm still afraid of legacy inflation/wage pressures in Q1 next year. So EDH1 vs EDU2
  • DB
    Daniel B.
    4 December 2018 @ 21:37
    Raoul, amazing work on Bitcoin, great investigation! Question for both gents; what's your take on commodities, specifically soft commodities? Going into recession do we see consumption fall and prices bottom even further or is it still a favourable time to buy at these long term lows?
    • RP
      Raoul P. | Founder
      5 December 2018 @ 11:00
      I still think they go lower as the dollar rises and demand in the overall economy falls.
  • HO
    H2 O.
    5 December 2018 @ 14:44
    Thanks for another great update. I find it hard to get on board with the case for rising inflation next year. Most important is that wage demands don't increase when housing and energy are tanking together, which is unfolding right now. Also difficult when households are going to have to swap consumption for debt service as mortgages and other rates reset higher. Yes, we are at structurally low levels of unemployment, but labor market tightness has been overestimated, and the drivers of broad wage gains/demands (outside of a subset of sectors) are just not there. Have to consider a disinflationary bust scenario as well. But, the strong dollar is definitely on borrowed time, which is already being reflected in forward rates. Once the mainstream and Fed confirm what the bond market is already saying, USD will weaken and this might be positive for the inflation outlook. Julian's bear steepener is the way to go methinks, albeit for slightly different reasons.
    • HO
      H2 O.
      6 December 2018 @ 14:52
      Theoretically, sure they could prop up the USD, but with the goods deficit ballooning and domestic conditions tightening they want to go in the opposite direction. The deeper issue with QT is that the banking system is short of effective reserves, meaning that big banks have lots that they don't want to lend to other smaller banks, and this among many other things is driving financial condition tightening.
    • DB
      Daniel B.
      6 December 2018 @ 05:23
      My reply is just up there👆🏻(replied to my own comment! Duh!)
  • DB
    Daniel B.
    6 December 2018 @ 04:03
    Open question to anybody reading these comments (sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still on a learning curve with all this stuff) - why are 10 year treasuries gaining at the moment (ie. yields falling)? I thought the steepener trade was going to lower shorter-end yields? Is the 10 year change reflecting recession fears v the shorter end being impacted by the Fed pause (and subsequent reversal)?
    • DB
      Daniel B.
      6 December 2018 @ 05:22
      Agree with what you’re saying, but RE USD strength; can’t the Fed keep QT’ing and reducing dollar supply to maintain USD value?